Talk:Lon Nol

Political views

Removed following section, did not make sense with rest of article. Earlier, it says that Lon Nol suffered a stroke in 1971. Here, it says Lon Nol became unstable/emotional after strike, and that after US move into Cambodia (1970), that Lon Nol broke down and cried in conversation with Haig. But US intervention was prior to his stroke.

Despite his ambitions, Nol was noted to be increasingly unstable and emotional, especially after his stroke, with a tendency to break down under stress. When, after the Cambodian incursion of 1970, Alexander Haig told him that American ground forces would not be used to assist the Cambodian army, Nol broke down in tears and emotionally claimed that Cambodia would be unable to defend itself. 209.195.164.34 (talk) 19:43, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't see what doesn't make sense about it. He was always rather emotional - too much so to be involved in national politics, perhaps. This got worse after his stroke, but it did exist before, and the anecdote related by Shawcross illustrates it.Svejk74 (talk) 14:19, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

References

CIA Support

I have just made an edit in this area to explain there is no evidence of CIA involvement in the coup. I am not sure how to put references in footnotes so I put three book references in the main text that support my claim. Silverneedle (talk) 10:17, 20 December 2011 (UTC) I have described the coup as "CIA-sponsored", which is both true and germane. An obstructive user who keeps censoring the article Khmer Rouge (which see, for the sordid details) deleted this addition without even being responsible enough to say why. Shorne 07:18, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Surely US-supported is more accurate - the CIA is an agency of the US government and there is no evidence that the CIA acted on its own to support Nol, they were simply the agents that provided *some* (the US military provided more)of this support. Bigdaddy1981 16:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

US-sponsored indeed is more accurate - CIA were not the only bad guys here. Anyway, the article as it stands now barely mentions US sponsorship, while as the matter of fact Lon Nol was a little more than an American puppet. Without Lon Nol regime Khmer Rouge would never stand a chance of grabbing the power - another sad example of US pushing a country deeper into Chinese or Russian bear hug. But, that is not a topic for an encyclopaedia... --bonzi (talk) 12:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Whitewashing

How dare you accuse me of whitewashing articles when you understate the facts, grudgingly agreeing to "accusations" of CIA involvement when the evidence is no longer seriously denied by any non-revisionist? I suppose you also deny that the US funded the Lon Nol régime. Shorne 09:24, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Evidence that the US backed Lon Nol?

How did the US back Lon Nol, and do you have any proof of this? Rickyrab 18:59, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The massive US airlift of supplies into Khmer Rouge besieged Phnom Penh is a hint of it. Bigdaddy1981 16:37, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Lon Nol's name

... is a palindrome. Hmmm. Rickyrab 19:00, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

it just "included members of the Khmer Rouge"?

This is a fantastic lie when dealing with an armed faction that was commanded and controlled by the Khmer Rouge. So far, Mr. Lopez has failed to provide any facts suggesting that Sihanouk had any real power with regards to the insurgency. The reason is because there isn't any such proof, and Ruy is just engaging in typical distortion. Though I find it somewhat odd that a user who has engaged in Apologia 101 for how 1.7 million deaths wasn't really the KR's fault would try and lie about how such a heroic anti-imperialist organization came to power. J. Parker Stone 04:20, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Lon vs. Nol

CJK has changed all of the Lon's to Nol's. Cambodians, like most Asians, put the family name first, thus Lon is his family name, Nol is his given name. (His brother was Lon Non) It's very confusing given the unfamiliarity that most westerners have with Asian/Khmer names in general. So, I think that using "Lon" would be more appropriate (thus reverting most of CJK's edits). What do folks think? Sihanouk is different, that is his given name, Norodom is the family name, but most monarchs throughout the world are referred to by their "first" names. --Easter Monkey 02:24, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

While I don't care much about the naming, I've never seen him called "Lon". CJK 21:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Easter Monkey - Lon is his family name, but the convention in Cambodia is to use the given name as address thus Norodom Sihanouk is Sihanouk and Lon Nol is Nol. Bigdaddy1981 16:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

The White Pipe of Lon Non

According to newspaper accounts of the execution of Lon Non, it was said that he was calmly smoking a white pipe before he was executed. This same white pipe, was given to him by an uncle of mine when he was visting the Cambodian Embassy in DC during the early 70s. Whether or not the incident is the case, or if the white pipe is the same one given to him by my uncle, the account of it brings a chilling sadness to me.

Think you got him confused with someone else.Guccisamsclub (talk) 04:31, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Health concerns

It can be verified that Lon Nol experienced a stroke in February, 1971. It has been removed because of its non-neutral POV and its inclusion created a disjoint in its paragraph. Several attempts to add this information back in have resulted in paragraphs of a single sentence. If the stroke was dehabilitating enough to affect his governance, I would like to add a paragraph indicating such. Please add sources, I checked everything I had access to and was unable to determine what affect, if any, such a stroke had on him.

List of leaders by Coup

I've removed Lon Nol from the list of leaders who came to power through a coup. My reasoning is given below.

While the events of 1970 in Cambodia are often referred to as a "coup" by Lon Nol, the actual circumstances do not fit the definition of a coup. Lon Nol, in 1970, was the Priemer/Prime Minister of Cambodia and Sihanouk was head of state. Lon Nol (with a vote of the national assembly) removed Sihanouk from power through means consistant with the Cambodian constitution. I'm not denying that intimidation didn't occur during the process.

My point is that a Prime Minister deposing a head of state is not the same thing as the army taking over a country and (for example) a general assuming a political role which is the usual definition of a "coup".

Town that is focus of initial protest against Lon Nol (almost) pusch

As to this text: "The townspeople refused the government of Lon Nol's orders to remove the Prince's portrait, and they burned down the house of the new governor whom Lon Nol had appointed." Its very obscure as to which 'town' this incident took place. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.63.44.232 (talk) 12:46, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

Sino-Khmer

I've never before seen a claim that Nol was a sino-Khmer. Given that he boasted of his Khmer ethnicity to the extent of urguing his troops to call him "Black Papa" (based on the once popular term "black Khmer" to describe a pure Khmer) I'm deleting it. I note that the only possibly reliable source for the sino-Khmer claim is a dead link. Bigdaddy1981 00:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Please check out the links whether theyre dead first---As of today I checked the links, they are not dead and still accessible. Perhaps you might want to use "Edit--->Find--->Chinese" to pick out the phrase citing his ancestry from these sources. I have also added a book reference, with link to amazon. You might also want to check that out. If anybody has any dissenting opinions otherwise, please notify me at my talk page. I will be happy to entertain all comments. Thanks. Mr Tan 15:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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Help with stub: Kingdom of Cambodia (1975-76)

Hello, I noticed there was a gap in the former states of Cambodia so I created Kingdom of Cambodia (1975-76); any help in expanding this stub would be much appreciated. Cheers, ^walk victor falk ^talk 04:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Khmer Republic, corruption etc

The unsourced assertion that the Khmer Republic was founded 'to do away with [...] corruption' (which was added to the article, unsourced, in 2009) seems a bit dubious, particularly as some figures involved had already done rather well themselves out of the Sangkum regime. The causes of the coup, so far as they can be worked out, were:

• Long standing resentment at Sihanouk's personal interference in most aspects of the political process (particularly on the part of Sirik Matak)
• The appointment of a right-wing government in 1969 which was far less tolerant of Vietnamese infiltration of the eastern borders
• A sudden increase in the above infiltration due to heavier fighting in South Vietnam
• A meeting in early 1970 between Lon Nol and provincial governors at which the problems caused by the Vietnamese presence were the main topic of conversation

The overriding 'aim' of the Republic was getting rid of the 30-40,000 (Shawcross) Vietnamese troops within Cambodia's borders. But I'm not sure it's helpful to think of states as founded with specific aims in mind anyway!Svejk74 (talk) 01:39, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

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